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Credibility Of Wikipedia Takes a Dive After Wired Exposé, is Newsvine next ?

Seeded on Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:47 AM EDT
Read ArticleArticle Source: Alex Jones' Prison Planet.com
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The credibility of the online encyclopedia
Wikipedia has taken another dive after a newly developed
software program exposed how the CIA, corporations like
Diebold and others routinely edit entries to bury criticism
and manipulate the truth.
In our
previous investigation, we revealed how a group
of trolls were engaged in a concerted campaign to erase
the 9/11 truth movement, along with a host of other
controversial subjects, out of cyber existence by voting
to delete pages about subjects and individuals that
obviously warrant a page on Wikipedia.
Examples we cited included such manifestly
provable "conspiracy theories" as "List
of Republican sex scandals," "People questioning
the 9/11 Commission Report" and "Movement
to impeach George W. Bush".

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vladimer kerchenko

It appears the democratizing of information can be a double-edged sword.... it depends on who wants their version of the truth to be known bad enough to rule.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:49 AM EDT
The Voice of Reason

Well this isn't surprising...

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:20 AM EDT
Deep_Thought

Newsvine won't be next. IP addresses on Wikipedia are public, they are hidden on Newsvine. Also, I don't know how accurate these tracking services will be in future. Most people involved in these edits will simply use a proxy from now on.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:17 AM EDT
WebWeasel

Wikipedia blocks edits from Tor and other anonymous IP networks.

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:47 AM EDT
Deep_Thought

Wikipedia blocks edits from Tor and other anonymous IP networks.

There are ways around that. A proxy that forges the X-Forwarded-For header will do the trick.

  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:40 AM EDT
WebWeasel

The easiest is to just have people make the changes from home or via a VNC (or somesuch) connection to home.

Blocking the anonymous nets and open proxies help keep the petty vandals down. Organizations trying to whitewash Wikipedia will probably just start buying IP blocks under different names.

This all involves a bit more technical savvy then I would normally give to big corp Windows wankers. I'm sure they'll figure it out eventually.

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:53 PM EDT
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Partisan Hack

Newsvine makes no bones about sponsoring people with opinions, whereas Wikipedia makes an effort to provide objectivity.

I think that the Wired article is highly overblown. in the instance of Diebold, for example, the article seems to be monitored much more carefully and for certain articles like the one on fascism there is more monitoring and tagging of content as needing more references or being controversial.

To the point of our discussions on NV, when Wikipedia's citizen-editors have doubts about a piece they're clearly flagged to the community. I think that this makes a big difference. Wikipedia is a live reference that works towards a dynamic version of the truth, and I think that it's very valuable for what it is.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:56 AM EDT
SuperUnspecial

I don't think wikipedia will lose any credibility. I don't think most people actually care, they read something and that's enough, and if the source gets questioned most people will think "yeah, but that was probably in the other articles, not the one's I read, and even if I did read one, how bad could it be?"

If it does, people could always go use Citizenduim.org a fork from wikipedia where there's supposed to be some expert oversight.

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:06 AM EDT
WebWeasel

Indeed, it's not all that big a deal. Wikipedia is still evolving and has a thriving community. Discussions will take place, policies will be made and software will be written to deal with this sort of abuse.

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:00 PM EDT
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The Voice of Reason

Newsvine makes no bones about sponsoring people with opinions, whereas Wikipedia makes an effort to provide objectivity.

Exactly so the threat of losing credibility for allowing people to post opinions cannot apply to Newsvine.

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:44 AM EDT
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